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What are the problems with Ubuntu? - Garuda's Lemmy
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In my personal opinion: 1- Snap packages. Dont like them for their closed source backend, dont lime them for how canonical has been sneaking then into the system of users who have been originally trying to install a deb. 2- Modern Ubuntu simply has no real benefit compared to other Distros. Nowadays it’s just another Gnome and Debian-based distro, I see no reason to use it over Debian itself, or Fedora, Solus, or any other Ubuntu derivative that simply does better than “vanilla” Ubuntu, such as Pop!_OS or Linux Mint. … ... *used to*be better than every other distro, because they incorporated patches on freetype that were legally ‘iffy’ as to whether they infringed on microsoft’s patents; later whatever exclusivity requirement that there was with those patents expired, and the patches got upstreamed in freetype itself. ... It’s been more than 15 years since I used Ubuntu but from that point I really could feel that what @[email protected] says is true - it no longer offered any real benefit compared to Fedora, Solus, Mint or whatever distro targeted at people getting into Linux. You won’t find many people saying that Ubuntu really stands out from their similars about something. … But as previously stated, my personal opinion is that modern Ubuntu adds nothing compared to other desktop distros, ot’s DE is just Gnome with extensions bult in. The Snap store is not very well optimized and there was no reason to have it as default over gnome-software, which is more feature-complete. Nowadays, for my use, I only see Ubuntu as Debian with a more modern installer. … I’m willing to admit this one does make sense, since their goal is to make an OS where everything except the kernel and the init system is a snap, something which you can’t do with flatpak. ... Thing is, even when Ubuntu’s software has been packaged outside Ubuntu, it’s so far failed to gain traction. Upstart and Unity were available from a Gentoo overlay at one point, but never achieved enough popularity for anyone to try to move them to the main tree. I seem to recall that Unity required a cartload of core system patches that were never upstreamed by Ubuntu to be able to work, which may have been a contributing factor. It’s possible that Ubuntu doesn’t … Another problem is the “not made here” mentality, which undermined Wayland for instance. Ultimately the problem is I guess, that Ubuntu is (was?) trying to make Ubuntu exclusive to Linux, with Canonical controlling key technologies. Seemingly an effort to reduce other Linux distros to second rate players. Another example of that (apart from dual license and Mir) is their new package system Snap, which is open source on the client side, but proprietary on the server side. … Snap. :) AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world14·2 months ago Most of the criticism I have seen online stems from how Canonical (the company behind Ubuntu) plays fast and loose with the FLOSS ethos. The earliest controversy I can recall was the inclusion of the ‘Amazon shopping lens’ in its Unity desktop environment. There may have been earlier issues, but this one made mainstream headlines in the early 2010s. More recently, the push for Snap (its application bundle format), which relies on proprietary server-side components, which invited criticism. … More serious problem was Mir. Mir was an alternative to Wayland, because Canonical was not happy with Wayland and they didn’t want to implement what Ubuntu tried to do on phones. But that meant the programs and protocols to support was now X11, Wayland and Mir. And related to it, the focus of mobile user interface on desktop (Mir+Unity) was something lot of desktop fans didn’t like at that time. Canonical gave up on Mir and Unity (and smartphones entirely).
Related Pain Points
Snap packages hijack apt install commands without user consent
6Ubuntu silently redirects standard 'apt install' commands to fetch packages from the Snap store instead of traditional .deb repositories, bypassing user expectations and often delivering slower, buggier software experiences.
Snap Package Performance and Overhead
5Snap packages are slower to launch, consume more disk space, and create additional mount points, contributing to system bloat. They represent a departure from the Unix philosophy of small, efficient programs.
Aggressive commercial upselling disrupts user experience
5Canonical aggressively promotes Ubuntu Pro subscriptions through MOTD messages, apt output, and website navigation, with ads appearing in the Apps menu. This commercial behavior alienates users and contradicts FLOSS principles.
Canonical's proprietary-first philosophy undermines FLOSS principles
5Canonical's history of proprietary server-side components (Snap), closed-source backends, and failed attempts at ecosystem control (Mir, Unity, Amazon integration) signal a 'not made here' mentality that contradicts open-source values and discourages community adoption.
Core system patches not upstreamed, fragmenting ecosystem
4Ubuntu frequently makes core system modifications (e.g., for Mir, Unity, Wayland) that are not contributed upstream, preventing other distributions from adopting Ubuntu innovations and creating maintenance burden.
Ubuntu offers no differentiation over Debian and other distros
4Modern Ubuntu has lost its unique value proposition, now serving as merely Debian with GNOME extensions and a modern installer. Alternatives like Fedora, Mint, Pop!_OS, and Debian itself provide equivalent or superior experiences without Canonical's commercial overhead.